08.08.2013 18:37
[#32]
Re: Nowe turbo do A600
@] SKOLMAN_MWS ˇ agrEssOr [, post #28
żeby jeszcze było na coPewnie w A600 tego się nie wykorzysta, ale jeśli jest wstanie to zrobić to przy okazji (ewentualnie)
robienia turbiny dla A1200, jakieś 060/200-300 MHz, klasyk mógłby pociągnąć Netsurfa, który to jest
wstanie pochłonąć całkiem sporo ramu. Także jest po co, a jeśli nawet nie to dla samego faktu, najlepiej
popytać wspinaczy i innych takich "po co" robią to co robią
@rafgc
Karty które trafią do sprzedaży mają mieć 64MB. Tak się tylko domyślam że to może być wersja karty
która on używa, może pisze tyle tylko ile uważa za stosowne a rozwój i możliwości są dalej. Poza tym
możesz go zapytać w tym wątku, może powie coś więcej na ten temat.
Ogólnie gość robi, później gada, zaskoczył wszystkich, a karty będą niedługo produkowane. Najlepsze jest
to, że to co robi daje naprawdę duże możliwości. Wątek "z zamówieniami" ma już siedem stron -jeśli on
się wywiąże i będzie wstanie zrobić inne karty, to może zarobić jednocześnie dając tanią kartę/y społeczności.
Jednym słowem wszyscy będą szczęśliwi, no może poza Jensem.
Oczywiście to tylko moje pobożne życzenia, ale kto wie... :D
Ostatnia aktualizacja: 08.08.2013 18:38:08 przez Radek_Cz
08.08.2013 19:59
[#35]
Re: Nowe turbo do A600
@] SKOLMAN_MWS ˇ agrEssOr [, post #34
Czytaliście wątek na amibay? Przecież majsta napisał że jest w stanie dodać każdy rozmiar, ale nie widzi
sensu dla turbiny do A600. I nie chodzi o to żeby był tej jeden gig, tylko o samą możliwość.
Poza tym arduino (zastosowane przez niego w tej turbinie) daje możliwości "doklejenia" wielu ciekawych
dodatków, jedynie trzeba przerobić opensource'owe stery.
sensu dla turbiny do A600. I nie chodzi o to żeby był tej jeden gig, tylko o samą możliwość.
Poza tym arduino (zastosowane przez niego w tej turbinie) daje możliwości "doklejenia" wielu ciekawych
dodatków, jedynie trzeba przerobić opensource'owe stery.
08.08.2013 23:28
[#37]
Re: Nowe turbo do A600
@bogumil, post #36
Hi there all :)
i have tried to translate what you are talking about and I m certain what confuses most of the people. So in process of changing amiga scene I will try to find any forum or site where people discuss about my project and try to answer. So you don't have to search me I will come to you :)
If you have some specific questions please ask.
So first things first :)
1. That picture where I address 1GB of ram is just prove for some people saying that MC68K can't address much memory but they need to think outside the box. So design is ready to address as much as you can :) How hard can be to add such amount of memory. I think in half an hour I can design it and send to production. But, for A600 or A500 there is no point of doing that so I didn't. If someday someone wanted for me to do that it will be simplest possible job.
2. About other people left behind and stopping their production. They never wanted to be my friends and 2 and half years ago I wanted to do and interview with person you mentioned. That interview we needed for Amiga scene in former Yugoslawia. He refused that and been so arrogant if I may say. So then I decided all must go down and Amiga will go in next direction because of me.
3. About me, I left digital electronics for about 10 years. In that period only designing wireless antennas and things related to networks. Despite all talking that I don't have previous knowledge. I know how to read schematics and I know little about 0 and 1. I m not electrical engineer but I m electrical technician who had major subjects in digital electronics for 4 years :) So only problem was to remember things I have already worked with.
4.What next? Lot of developers pray that this won't work. Amiga resellers are like vultures trying to make money from this. So what if all goes to hell and don't work. What are the chances. None. Why? Every possible problem you solve in code, complete system is designed like that. Most important thing that if there is no core updated to the board your amiga is protected and work with own CPU. Can you damage your motherboard with wrong core. No, board automatically disables all connections to your Amiga and stand still waiting for proper core. In the same time your Amiga works normally. Did I overcome something? More than 50 dev boards are used. Beta testers had the same conclusion like me. There are already few other people who develop their own cores for vampire design.
5. Last. Complete documentation about 100 pages will be online. To force everyone to start understanding design and improving it. Complete mission goes like this. Bunch of people having vampire and every day we publish new core with bunch of new possibilities. in the same time we are in arduino market where wirelesses adapter cost about 1.96USD, RTC is 2USD. How much did you pay for any Amiga hardware?
Ostatnia aktualizacja: 08.08.2013 23:30:23 przez majsta
i have tried to translate what you are talking about and I m certain what confuses most of the people. So in process of changing amiga scene I will try to find any forum or site where people discuss about my project and try to answer. So you don't have to search me I will come to you :)
If you have some specific questions please ask.
So first things first :)
1. That picture where I address 1GB of ram is just prove for some people saying that MC68K can't address much memory but they need to think outside the box. So design is ready to address as much as you can :) How hard can be to add such amount of memory. I think in half an hour I can design it and send to production. But, for A600 or A500 there is no point of doing that so I didn't. If someday someone wanted for me to do that it will be simplest possible job.
2. About other people left behind and stopping their production. They never wanted to be my friends and 2 and half years ago I wanted to do and interview with person you mentioned. That interview we needed for Amiga scene in former Yugoslawia. He refused that and been so arrogant if I may say. So then I decided all must go down and Amiga will go in next direction because of me.
3. About me, I left digital electronics for about 10 years. In that period only designing wireless antennas and things related to networks. Despite all talking that I don't have previous knowledge. I know how to read schematics and I know little about 0 and 1. I m not electrical engineer but I m electrical technician who had major subjects in digital electronics for 4 years :) So only problem was to remember things I have already worked with.
4.What next? Lot of developers pray that this won't work. Amiga resellers are like vultures trying to make money from this. So what if all goes to hell and don't work. What are the chances. None. Why? Every possible problem you solve in code, complete system is designed like that. Most important thing that if there is no core updated to the board your amiga is protected and work with own CPU. Can you damage your motherboard with wrong core. No, board automatically disables all connections to your Amiga and stand still waiting for proper core. In the same time your Amiga works normally. Did I overcome something? More than 50 dev boards are used. Beta testers had the same conclusion like me. There are already few other people who develop their own cores for vampire design.
5. Last. Complete documentation about 100 pages will be online. To force everyone to start understanding design and improving it. Complete mission goes like this. Bunch of people having vampire and every day we publish new core with bunch of new possibilities. in the same time we are in arduino market where wirelesses adapter cost about 1.96USD, RTC is 2USD. How much did you pay for any Amiga hardware?
Ostatnia aktualizacja: 08.08.2013 23:30:23 przez majsta
09.08.2013 00:38
[#39]
Re: Nowe turbo do A600
@majsta, post #37
Majsta i really hope you will succeed, and that your "revenge" is not only goal to achieve, but mainly
to provide new accelerator(s) for Amiga community at reasonable price and make some dosh and pleasure
out of it.
It's quite interesting what you say in your post in point 4. I'm really curious what's going on behind the
scenes, did "they" contact you after you let everyone know about your product? I bet it was quite shocking.
Regarding point 1, yes, "western" people are not very good in thinking out of the box
Nice that you have made effort and try get to as many communities as possible. I wish you good luck.
@posylus
Nie mogę wyczuć charakteru twojego posta :), czy to podziw, nagana czy niedowierzanie?
to provide new accelerator(s) for Amiga community at reasonable price and make some dosh and pleasure
out of it.
It's quite interesting what you say in your post in point 4. I'm really curious what's going on behind the
scenes, did "they" contact you after you let everyone know about your product? I bet it was quite shocking.
Regarding point 1, yes, "western" people are not very good in thinking out of the box
Nice that you have made effort and try get to as many communities as possible. I wish you good luck.
@posylus
Nie mogę wyczuć charakteru twojego posta :), czy to podziw, nagana czy niedowierzanie?
09.08.2013 00:50
[#40]
Re: Nowe turbo do A600
@majsta, post #37
I was excited to see you register on PPA.
What you do is actualy novelty in our amiga community, cause other projects, like NatAmi stand still or move slowly, not like yours which seem to develop quite dynamically. Therefore I see that this would succeed finally. Next step for you is to design an A1200 and A3000/4000 accelerator, and if not, I will find you :P
What you do is actualy novelty in our amiga community, cause other projects, like NatAmi stand still or move slowly, not like yours which seem to develop quite dynamically. Therefore I see that this would succeed finally. Next step for you is to design an A1200 and A3000/4000 accelerator, and if not, I will find you :P
09.08.2013 09:34
[#41]
Re: Nowe turbo do A600
@altcomputing, post #40
@Radek_Cz They contacted me after first tests where I proved that everything is possible.
@altcomputing For A1200 only problem is trapdoor connector. I have theory who said that the same core for vampire 600 will work on A1200 but faster. Why because basic clock is faster. But, it can be done
@altcomputing For A1200 only problem is trapdoor connector. I have theory who said that the same core for vampire 600 will work on A1200 but faster. Why because basic clock is faster. But, it can be done
09.08.2013 12:50
[#43]
Re: Nowe turbo do A600
@Radek_Cz, post #35
A wieceie co jest najlepsze, że z tego co wyczytałem na Amibayu to majsta zaczał się interesować Amigą około roku 2010 bo wtedy zarejestrował się na amibayu a własna Amigę 600 ma od 2011 znajomy kupił mu ją na jakimś targowisku za pare euro i załapał bakcyla... nie liczac 15 minut prez ktore widział amigę u znajomych w 1996 roku. Dla niego nie ma rzeczy niemozliwych, nie do zrobienia. Bardzo ciekawie zapowiada się również rok 2014 :D Czekam, czekam z niecierpliwościa hehe.
Myślę, ze ludzie tacy jak majsta, Bobbo, Rafgc nie zapominam równiez o Jaqube - bardzo dobry programista (Jakub Bednarski?) dla których Amiga to zabawa nie biznes wspólnymi siłami dadzą nam jeszcze sporo radości.
Podoba mi się spsób ich współłpracy wymiana doświadczeń, pewna forma rywalizacji ale zdrowej.
Jens duzo zrobił dla dostepności akcesoriów jednak wykupienie paru licencji (proszę mnie poprawić jeśli się mylę bo wiem, że w kościele dzwony biją ale nie wiem w którym) blokuje rozwój innych projektów.
W ogóle sposób wypowiedzi majsta paru osobom jak i mnie nasuwa skojarzenia z takimi osobami jak Jay Miner, Jack Tramiel, Steve Jobs ludzi którzy maja cel i konsekwentnie do niego dąrzą.
Jeśli projekt Vampire 600 zakończy się powodzeniem jestem spokojny o kolejne projekty na wzór Natami.
I have a dream...
Ostatnia aktualizacja: 09.08.2013 12:58:12 przez miro_78
Myślę, ze ludzie tacy jak majsta, Bobbo, Rafgc nie zapominam równiez o Jaqube - bardzo dobry programista (Jakub Bednarski?) dla których Amiga to zabawa nie biznes wspólnymi siłami dadzą nam jeszcze sporo radości.
Podoba mi się spsób ich współłpracy wymiana doświadczeń, pewna forma rywalizacji ale zdrowej.
Jens duzo zrobił dla dostepności akcesoriów jednak wykupienie paru licencji (proszę mnie poprawić jeśli się mylę bo wiem, że w kościele dzwony biją ale nie wiem w którym) blokuje rozwój innych projektów.
W ogóle sposób wypowiedzi majsta paru osobom jak i mnie nasuwa skojarzenia z takimi osobami jak Jay Miner, Jack Tramiel, Steve Jobs ludzi którzy maja cel i konsekwentnie do niego dąrzą.
Jeśli projekt Vampire 600 zakończy się powodzeniem jestem spokojny o kolejne projekty na wzór Natami.
I have a dream...
Ostatnia aktualizacja: 09.08.2013 12:58:12 przez miro_78
09.08.2013 13:14
[#44]
Re: Nowe turbo do A600
@Radek_Cz, post #35
To bez sensu podrabiać obrazek, by pokazać, że się da, a który nic nie dowodzi, bo nie istnieje (nie jestem pewien czy istnieje 1GB pamięci SDRAM w jednej kości), to tak jakbym sobie pokazał teraz blat workbencha z A600 z 128MB CHIPu mówiąc, że się da (jak powymieniasz połowę bebechów to się da) jeśli nawet nie istnieje taki egzemplarz. Po drugie, chyba już pozapominaliście, że M68k z 32-bitową szyną adresową może zaadresować 4GB (po prostu nie dożyliśmy takich czasów), więc tym bardziej ten 1GB nie robi na mnie najmniejszego wrażenia. Do kogo skierowany jest taki obrazek, do fanbojów oryginalnej 68000 z A600, która fizycznie nie ma możliwości zaadresować więcej niż 16MB przestrzeni?
09.08.2013 13:18
[#45]
Re: Nowe turbo do A600
@miro_78, post #43
Majsta to ciekawy przypadek, zaczynał z zerową wiedzą i niemal zaliczał non stop załamania nerwowe na początku, ma chyba sporo kasy, bo popalił mnóstwo FPGA :) Ostatnio w ogóle jest jakiś popyt na dodatki do A600. Fajnie, że nie porzucił projektu gdzieś w środku lub na początku.
09.08.2013 13:41
[#46]
Re: Nowe turbo do A600
@rafgc, post #45
@rafgc Yes I had some lets say physical problems because of project and non stop headaches. Last month went to doctor and he said to me that I need to stop with work. I said NO I must finish this.
I entered into designing Amiga hardware from bodybuilding world also :) So comparing my picture now and before the project made me smile. Stop eating, sleeping, lost friends. Didn't hangout with girls and that was hardest for me. So was it worthy. Yes!
I entered into designing Amiga hardware from bodybuilding world also :) So comparing my picture now and before the project made me smile. Stop eating, sleeping, lost friends. Didn't hangout with girls and that was hardest for me. So was it worthy. Yes!
09.08.2013 22:26
[#47]
Re: Nowe turbo do A600
@rafgc, post #44
@rafgc
Majsta pisał że w jednej kości jest 512 MB. Poza tym dlaczego uważasz że podrobił obrazek, jaki w tym cel?
Wiem że sam robisz kartę do A600, więc masz pojęcie o czym piszesz i może 1 gig nie robi na tobie wrażenia.
Na mnie robi i to spore, bo jeszcze nie tak dawno temu, 10 lat, kupiłem nowego iMaca z 256 MB na pokładzie.
Także komp sprzed dwudziestu lat z jednym gigiem, nawet dla picu, wydaje mi się czymś dość niezwykłym.
@majsta
Dude, i hope you gonna slow down a bit after finalizing things with Vampire for A600. I would like
to see more boards from you, what may not happen if you will go over the top and neglect yourself.
Majsta pisał że w jednej kości jest 512 MB. Poza tym dlaczego uważasz że podrobił obrazek, jaki w tym cel?
Wiem że sam robisz kartę do A600, więc masz pojęcie o czym piszesz i może 1 gig nie robi na tobie wrażenia.
Na mnie robi i to spore, bo jeszcze nie tak dawno temu, 10 lat, kupiłem nowego iMaca z 256 MB na pokładzie.
Także komp sprzed dwudziestu lat z jednym gigiem, nawet dla picu, wydaje mi się czymś dość niezwykłym.
@majsta
Dude, i hope you gonna slow down a bit after finalizing things with Vampire for A600. I would like
to see more boards from you, what may not happen if you will go over the top and neglect yourself
. 09.08.2013 22:28
[#48]
Re: Nowe turbo do A600
@majsta, post #46
So was it worthy. Yes!
Definitly not! Keeping mental health at stable level is part of climbing a wall too, you know? If you fall, your legacy will be reduced to a vampire card at best. So go and relax, people waited 2 years for this and they will gladly wait two months more if Vampire is not your last goal.
Definitly not! Keeping mental health at stable level is part of climbing a wall too, you know? If you fall, your legacy will be reduced to a vampire card at best. So go and relax, people waited 2 years for this and they will gladly wait two months more if Vampire is not your last goal.
09.08.2013 23:10
[#49]
Re: Nowe turbo do A600
@rafgc, post #48
No I don't want to stop with this project. Today, for example I was doing little study about Alice and possibility to add 8MB of chip ram. Somehow I have strange feeling that I shouldn't believe that Dave Haynie was completely honest about his statements regarding that. Regarding vampire just get back from discussion about soldering damn thing so I can focus more on core.
09.08.2013 23:20
[#51]
Re: Nowe turbo do A600
@majsta, post #37
@majsta
Don't know who (or what?) are You, maybe him but as it goes for me - You are my Master :D Glad to see that someone spend his precious time to make something amazing... like Vampire project - THANKS!!
But remember... health first.... so take Your time! Amiga fans are VERY patient - as you may have already noticed ;)
Best wishes! And so far- outstanding job!!!
Ostatnia aktualizacja: 09.08.2013 23:28:39 przez BomberMAX
Don't know who (or what?) are You, maybe him but as it goes for me - You are my Master :D Glad to see that someone spend his precious time to make something amazing... like Vampire project - THANKS!!
But remember... health first.... so take Your time! Amiga fans are VERY patient - as you may have already noticed ;)
Best wishes! And so far- outstanding job!!!
Ostatnia aktualizacja: 09.08.2013 23:28:39 przez BomberMAX
10.08.2013 22:44
[#52]
Re: Nowe turbo do A600
@Radek_Cz, post #39
Nie mogę wyczuć charakteru twojego posta, czy to podziw, nagana czy niedowierzanie?
Oczywiście podziw, zdecydowanie. Zawsze szanowałem ludzi z dużą wiedzą - a powód jest jeden, że tacy ludzie najczęściej nie boją się dzielić doświadczeniem z innymi, bo tak dużej wiedzy nikt nie zabierze, a po co ktoś ma otwierać te same drzwi... Zatem zdecydowanie podziw.
11.08.2013 11:53
[#53]
Re: Nowe turbo do A600
@majsta, post #49
Today, for example I was doing little study about Alice and possibility to add 8MB of chip ram.
Are you Majsta or are you a joker? Not to mention that in A600 graphics chips have nothing to do with CHIP addressing, but Agnus and Gayle, you have made wrong statement, Alice doesn't exist in A600 and you can't do anything about chip RAM just by pluging something onto CPU, because CHIP RAM is behing AGNUS and she is the leader in this teritory.
You may ask author of Mr. Beanbag game if she succeed in her effort of CHIP RAM paging, she was very stubborn, that it can be done, but there is no info from her for some time.
Good luck anyway!
Ostatnia aktualizacja: 11.08.2013 12:11:58 przez rafgc
Are you Majsta or are you a joker? Not to mention that in A600 graphics chips have nothing to do with CHIP addressing, but Agnus and Gayle, you have made wrong statement, Alice doesn't exist in A600 and you can't do anything about chip RAM just by pluging something onto CPU, because CHIP RAM is behing AGNUS and she is the leader in this teritory.
You may ask author of Mr. Beanbag game if she succeed in her effort of CHIP RAM paging, she was very stubborn, that it can be done, but there is no info from her for some time.
Good luck anyway!
Ostatnia aktualizacja: 11.08.2013 12:11:58 przez rafgc
11.08.2013 21:42
[#54]
Re: Nowe turbo do A600
@rafgc, post #53
@rafgc sorry I was looking at some A4000 documentation :) But for A600 and others there is something interesting that maybe just maybe can be done regarding adding more chip ram. Maybe we could add lot of memory to chip ram but that at specific address A600 only sees 2MB at the time. Uh I have some ideas but it is hard to explain in English :)
That we make some kind of redirection for specific space, for example we use 8MB SDRAM chip divided in to 2MB X 4.
This could be done with few lines of code.
That we make some kind of redirection for specific space, for example we use 8MB SDRAM chip divided in to 2MB X 4.
This could be done with few lines of code.
11.08.2013 21:56
[#55]
Re: Nowe turbo do A600
@majsta, post #54
The problem lies in Agnus+Gayle and it's reduced addressing capability. In Winuae this limitatation was removed easily through software. You could ask Toni Willen, he propably just gave emulated Agnus and Gayle ability to decode larger memory spaces at will. Real MC68000 can't address physicly more than 16MB memory, because there is 8 address lines missing, thats why you can address up to 4GB memory with MC68000 implemented in FPGA. Same thing with Gayle and Agnus, you won't be able to use more than 2MB CHIPRAM without FPGA replacements for those chips or some serious hacking. Btw. Additional CHIPRAM should be plugged into Amiga trapdoor, because custom chips can't access other side of AGNUS where CPU is, otherwise you should force somehow AGNUS to pass data from CPU side (or install a bridge over Agnus?) to custom chips side when there is data transfer from chipram to custom chips.
Ostatnia aktualizacja: 11.08.2013 22:00:12 przez rafgc
Ostatnia aktualizacja: 11.08.2013 22:00:12 przez rafgc
13.08.2013 15:33
[#58]
Re: Nowe turbo do A600
@majsta, post #57
If in A500s old Agnus replecement was necessary to newer model to have 2MB of CHIPRAM instead of 1MB, then guess what have to be done to have more than 2MB of CHIP.
CHIPRAM paging? Yo can made pages with area that is controlled by CPU, how do you want to page memory which is controlled by Agnus?
CHIPRAM paging? Yo can made pages with area that is controlled by CPU, how do you want to page memory which is controlled by Agnus?
